Monday, May 10, 2010

Should Christians Pledge Fraternities/Sororities?

"It matters not how straight the gate
How charged with punishment the scroll,
I am the master of my fate;
I am the captain of my soul"
Invictus-William Ernest Henley
I am very passionate about the hot button issues that affect Christians, especially when it comes to the age old question, "Should Christians pledge Fraternities/Sororities." Before you get defensive and say, "Well, my pastor is a Que or my grandma is an AKA..." listen to the conclusion of the matter. This blog post is NOT my attempt to sway you either way, but rather to spark a "healthy debate" from all sides of the spectrum. First, let me give you my background:
Background
In undergrad, I pledged (one of the divine 9) for approximately 10 weeks. My line brothers and I went on spring back and upon our return, we were anticipating completing our process. For those of you that have pledged, you know that it is a very "difficult and long" process. I was the ACE and I was definitely ready for the process to end. Long story short, during our break, someone was severely injured (pledging) at another chapter. As a result, the National Headquarters placed a nationwide suspension on all intake. What does that mean....in layman's terms, I just got yelled at and beat for the past 10 weeks for "no reason". In other words, we could not continue our process. Some say, it's crappy luck, some say it's God's will, I say, it sucks!
Now, I was a Christian since I was 8, so that clears up anyone who is wondering whether or not I was a Christian during that process. From that moment on, I went on a personal journey to figure out what was best for me. Of course, the organization was mentally calling my name and so I was torn on what to do. Go back and finish or move on! I eventually chose to move on. Several years later, I connected with six other brothers and developed a Christian fraternity on the same college campus.
I took the "bad parts" out of the pledge process and integrated into a new intake process for brothers desiring to become apart of a Christian fraternity.
Why A Christian Fraternity?
People say, "well, my organization was founded on Christian principals". Or, our founders were a pastor, etc. How many cults or even hate groups are founded on Christian principals? Tons. I am not implying that frat/soro. as such, but that is a very weak argument. An organization can not only be "founded", but it must be "grounded" on Christian principals. Good deeds on Friday, but a "Freak Neak" on Saturday is not being "grounded". Therefore, I wanted to establish something that stays true to the founders of the organization, not just in colors only. Plus, I wanted to cater to people that really wanted to take a stand and provide them with a choice, a good choice, versus the flipping a coin to see which "one of the 9 works for then".
10 Things To Consider Before Pledging a Fraternity/Sorority (if you are a Christian)
After these things, I will provide my overall stance and view...Please comment, I want to hear your feedback. These are in no particular order:
1) Will you be required to take any oaths to anyone or anything outside of God (Jesus Christ)?
2) Will you be expected to support activities that you typically wouldn't support?
3) What activities does the organization to do win people to Christ?
4) Are you only in it for letters, or are you really going to work once you get in?
5) Will you feel "complete" once you get in or cross? If so, why?
6) Is it your dream or a relative's dream?
7) What would happen if you never join? Will you feel incomplete?
8) Do you have a problem party hopping at the dance and then teaching bible study or going to church the next day?
9) Do you want people to first know you as a Christian or a part of an organization?
10) Did you really pray about it? And wait for an answer?
My Stance
I don't sway people either way. My story is different and everyone is different. I have great Christian friends that are in just about all the divine 9. I come to this conclusion, that God sees the big picture in our lives. In my case, I have been able to reach a different sect of brothers and different people because of my testimony and starting a Christian fraternity. My flesh will always say, "go back and finish", but my spirit says, "stay where you are and keep moving forward." As a Christian, I must follow my spirit. If you back me into a corner for a simple yes or no, then my answer is NO, you shouldn't. Why, because the bible talks about in James 5:12, "above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by earth, neither by any oath..." My argument is not that the pledging is bad, the colors or the organization itself, it's the oath that you say with your mouth, once you cross. You may say that it's a small things. But life and death is in the power of the tongue. We are "snared" by the words of our mouth. When we take oaths (whether its Freemasons, Divine 9, Eastern Star, etc), we are connecting ourselves to something other than our Lord and savior Jesus Christ. There you have it!
Write your thoughts...I want to hear your feedback. I hope you enjoyed the post.

106 comments:

  1. God is infallible and thereby chose to redirect your path as He has throughout your destined journey for "He knows the plan and it is of good..." If it's a plan of God then it's a plan! However when we consider the origin of Greek letter organizations the origin is of greek gods, rituals and idols. If we were to examine the origins of greek organizations can we honestly say it is Christian based or linked to godliness? or is it just good service-oriented organizations? the Word says "examine EVERYTHNG and hold on to that which is good." Don't look back but reach forth for those things that are ahead! No believers should not pledge Greek organizations and if you have you should denounce the oath that was taken. I am reminded of this passage: " How long halt ye between two opinions? if the LORD be God, follow him: but if Baal, then follow him".

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  2. I agree with you, Alton. There are so many people who pledge who refuse to renounce their letters and oaths yet call themselves followers of Christ. 2 Corinthians 4:4 mentions how the devil blinds people. Anyone willing to put their frat/sorority before God, even when the facts have been presented, should ask themselves why. The Lord says "choose this day whom you will serve" Joshua 24:15 He would rather us be hot or cold.. the lukewarm He spits out of His mouth. Revelations 3: 15-16

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  3. Thank you both for those comments. It's so hard for people to look past emotion and examine facts when it comes to things so near and dear to their hearts.

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  4. Thanks for bringing so much to the light for me.

    I wanted to pledge in undergraduate but couldn't find one that interest me. I am a 50 yr old full-time graduate student. I finally found an organization I really want to join; however, it is not a "Social Sorority". I am interested because they do some of the things my school (I'm prioneering a school after graduation) will be doing when I graduate. They are focused on the peoples group I will be heavily ministering to in the near future.....

    I really like the fact that you started a seperate frat. The sorority I am interested in does not have a grad chapter in my state. So they are suggesting I would have to create an interest group and go from there. I have several questions for them. I have two main questions for you. 1) When you're on the outside how will you learn if this "Oath" will have things in it you refuse to be a part of?
    2)How demanding was starting your own organization?

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  5. I have been a christian since my childhood. I was very actice in the church as a youth. I did pledge the oldest black greek fraternity while attending a HBU in the spring of 1989. It was rough at times but I did cross over. I developed close ties with the brothers. I learned a lot about brotherhood. Then in the late 1990's, I started listening to a preacher name Rev. John Cherry on BET. He is an excellent Bible teacher. Through his sermons, God spoke to me about being in a fraternity. Then I made a decision to pray for God to tell me what He wanted me to do. After I prayed, I opened my bible. There God spoke to me. 2 Cor 6:14-18 14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty. After I read that, I denounced my relationship with the fraternity. I hold no ill feelings to my former brothers because I chose to join on my own free will. But I have to please my Heavenly Father.

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  6. To answer your questions:
    1) It's typically very hard to get access to the oath of an organization, without having an "insider" share it with you or searching the internet in great lengths. It can be done, but it's tough.

    2) It was tremendous amount of work to start my own. I have 6 other founders to work with, but it was definitely a lot. It still is, but our passion outweighs the work

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  7. Alton,

    I love this. A conversation I had this week with a church member has me thinking along the lines of "what will Christians NOT do?" This fits right into that thought.

    I appreciate your thoughtful stance on this very real issue. Fraternities and sororities create life-long connections. It becomes a source of identity and relationships for the members. But we must ask ourselves (and the Holy Spirit) - what gives glory to Jesus Christ, what is edifying to me as a Christian, and what enhances my testimony to those that our outside of the faith? In my view, pledging fraternities and sororities doesn't pass this litmus test.

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  8. There were Christian frats/sororities on the campus where I matriculated, however they patterned themselves after the D9. If membership in the D9 is viewed negatively by some, why adopt any of their practices? Why do you feel that there is a need for line names, numbers, signs, calls, or even a "pledge process" at all? It just seems a bit hypocritical to me being that those are some of the most controversial elements of the organizations to begin with. Just my opinion.

    I throw this topic into the same category as the discussion on whether or not a Christian woman should wear pants, if we should eat pork or shellfish, drink alcohol, or listen to any music other than gospel. If it condemns you, then it is sin to YOU. As for me, I am both a Christian leader and member of a sorority. I am not convicted by my organizational membership.

    At the end of the day, I am more concerned about being recognized by the fruit that I bear.

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    1. I Agree That christian Groups Should Not Have The Same process As Fraternities/Sororities. However, In Terms Of WhAt U Say Regarding Christian Women, That Is In No WaY Relevant To What The Bible Discusses. In Your Argument You Have Made A Convenient Answer As To Why you're Not Going To Renounce Your Letters. If What You Have Pledged Does Not Biblically Align With The Path That God Has Set In Some Form OR Fashion Then You Should Give It Up. Ultimately, Every Christian Group Does Not Duplicate The structure Of Fraternities/Sororities, So You Can't Base Your Opinion Solely On What You See On Your Own Campus.

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    2. It's not wise to base a already wrong doing to another wrong doing just to convince yourself that you are now right for doing wrong.

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  9. I thank you all or your post. I recentally receive a letter anouncing that I didn't get accepted in this sorority. What was troubling me is, I had more than one dream that I was in the organization. I prayed and said God, if this is not your will dont let it be done. So, what is troubling me is, i can't get the dreams off my mind, but i know it's not of God. I assume if it was for the service then it would be fine. Help me make since of this.

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  10. I went through the same thing and I decided to bring a Christian Frat to my campus. I totally agree especially with the taking of oaths. It seems like people don't understand the concept that they speak life or death into their life by their words, knowingly and unknowingly.

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  11. I am considering a Christian sorority at the grad level. This org is fairly new, community based and is NOT a secret society. One of the things that bothered me about some Christian sororities was that they patterned themselves after BGLOs in particular areas. I think it's great to provide young Christians with an alternative and I think having colors, a name, even a call is fine. The "secrecy" component, however, is perplexing. Also, some of the dancing I've seen on some youtube videos during the probates of some sororities doesn't make sense. Modesty and grace should be the standard.

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    1. it's a possibility for me too and true that

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  12. agreed. if there's any doubt that something will make God unhappy or not be in accordance with His Word, then we shouldn't do it at all. Better safe than sorry. We don't need to keep asking ourselves "How far can we go until it is sin", we need to tell ourselves "I'm never going there, i don't want to sin". Our lives belong to the Lord! Lets live for Him, only Him. If you enjoy community service you don't have to go through all that drama to contribute to society. If you're looking for status, read your Bible! you already have it! You're a child of God!

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  13. This is very interesting to say the least. I must suggest that your oppinion is not founded on facts. The Bible is the most mistreated, misused and misquoted book ever written. Your oppinions of Greek Letter Organizations are unfounded because as you state you never had to take an oath because you never complerted any process.

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  14. I agree with what you've said. People say I'm a "Delta" [or whatever they may be] for life... But is being a "Delta" [or whatever you are] going to matter if you're in Heaven or hell??? Of course not! And these organizations or as I like to call cults don't do a thing to imbetter the world. I'm a strong Chistrian and nothing makes the world a better place except for God our Savior Jesus Christ and the Word!! I hope people will stop selling their souls to the Devil ...

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    1. Hey. Do you think i should quit the frat i just joined considering what jamison said concerning oath taking? I you were me what would you do? i dont really want to put my hands into what will displease GOD. Actually im still in the pledge class so i dont know whether to just quit now? Im really confused.

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    2. Please get out while you can and study the scriptures found in this post. Always be in prayer. God works in mysterious ways. Turn from idolatry my brothers and sisters in the Lord.

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  15. I just got into a Fraternity and i did not want to at first but my best friend made me join. He said there is nothing bad about it, just a group of guys looking out for each other and so far there has been no problems. But the oath thing is really bugging me right now. Should I leave now that i still have the chance? This is what i get for not reading the bible thoroughly :(

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    1. I was considering joining a sorority myself, but was unsure if it was the right choice for me. It's not. For the most part, Greek sororities are all about partying..this was from looking at their photos on Facebook. Sure, they do good things here and there (community service) but there are other clubs that can do the same. I am not trying to judge as I am not perfect. Also, they seem very cliquish/cult-ish. I don't understand...why must they take an oath? Also, why must pledges (for many sororities) take a test about the sorority and pass as part of the initiation process? Why must they be so secretive? I don't see other clubs doing that. I don't want to be a part of that. So I didn't go to the movie night that my friend invited me to for girls that were interested in joining. They would have said anything to convince me to join...which I didn't want to do. If the oath thing is really bothering you, you should leave the frat. Maybe that is God's way of telling you that pledging this oath is not right for you. Matthew 5:33-47 explains about oaths.
      “Again you have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform to the Lord what you have sworn.’ But I say to you, Do not take an oath at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God, or by the earth, for it is his footstool, or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King. And do not take an oath by your head, for you cannot make one hair white or black. Let what you say be simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything more than this comes from evil.
      There are other clubs out there that you can join where you do not have to take an oath. You can make friends in those clubs! If you did leave, try to avoid the people you came into contact with in the frat so they won't try to bother you. I am praying for you!

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  16. I've been in a social fraternity for 2 years now and when I was pledging I went through the same dilemma. And from my experience I can say that Greek life can be both good and bad. Keep in mind Greek life isn't all about party hopping(I don't drink, smoke or really party and I'm not the only one in my fraternity who does so)Its also about experiencing campus life, making lifelong friends/connections and helping others through the community service. There can be struggles, a lot of people still act in a way that can lead people astray from the good Lord; I always see people who allow themselves to fall away. The key is too find good Christian friends as well (I'm involved in my campuses ministry program)I mean if the only people in your life are people trying to lead you astray its hard to stand firm. However by dealing with these struggles I can also honestly say that my faith has substantially grown and become stronger.

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  17. Thank you for your blog. It is very good and many people need to hear this. From the prospective of a deliverance minister, it goes much deeper than many can imagine. When we as Christians operate in ignorance, it doesn't excuse the fact that we then become subject to the spirits that are in operation within that sorority or fraternity. When we pledge and take oaths to anything or anyone beside our heavenly Father, we then become no better than those who are in the Illuminati. We must be very careful and as you said, wait for an answer from God. Don't be swayed because ultimately, it leads to devil worship.

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  18. I thi.k it,does,matter especially when you know just because your saved today dooes,not mran your saved tomorrow. You can do things that can take you away from,Gods hand. Of course he,will never leave you nor forsake you but he,is holy and he is not a man,that,he,shall lie.The divine 9 originated from freemasonary/and eastern stars who when you first atart off the put on a christian,platform and make,you believe that they are christlike but i am here to tell you there,is true deception behind it. Every sector worship a greek god like a.k.a does the i e.ties into athena . Now we,know obe of the commandments are not to worship idols so why,are we complicating the issue. a double minded,man is unstable,in,all,his ways anf Jesus says he spuys those out because the was neithe hot,or cold but lukewarm.You cannot be totally sold out for Christ and be conformed to the world. The agenda is not made,plain to the lower level secret society pledgies but once you are place in a position of authority thats when fhe truth is,revealed and your find yourself so far in it you have a sense of hopelessness and being entraped.

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    1. I agree because a lot of the signs and symbols that they throw up are satanic. Some,of them are the devils horns or the,hands,gesture 666 its crazy but not far fetched. I mean my while thing was ok i will do research on it myself and i was utterly astonished by the blatant symbols and ties into the Freemason/eastern stars/illuminati. I good ministry who exposes them for what they are is Craig Lewis. I advise everyone to look into it because Gods people are being destroyed by their lack if knowledge. So when your ignorant to the snares of the enemy it hard to win against something you have no knowledge on.

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  19. Not trying to go agianst anything you have said because it is all great info., but can you please tell me the difference between saying a oath and the pledge of allegiance. If we are instructed to stand up and put our hand over our heart and say the pledge when the flag goes up, what is the difference from going through with an oath. The reason I said that is because i'm strongly thinking about pledging and I need all the help I can get before I do something that I may not need to do.

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  20. Great post I am going to use some of your points on my blog. Personally I wanted to join a sorority because I wanted to be popular but when you know better you do better.

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  21. now I know it's best for me to look at Christian Frats instead of D9. At one time when I was an undergrad I wanted to be in a D9 but I decided that it wasn't for me because I was never the party or clubbing type at all, I love helping the community don't get me wrong but being in a D9 just isn't worth the hazing pain at all....So I'm now I'm a grad student I believe Christian Frats are a way to go if they follow the word of God and not the World

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  22. I view pledging to a flag (u.s/Christian flag, etc) as the same thing. We don't put country before God's Word and we don't pledge to a flag(Christian or not) as a ritual to show allegiance to God. Our allegiance to God alone and confessing His son Jesus as our savior is enough.

    Lastly, it is true that every Greek sorority/fraternity is connected to a pagan/ Greek God. The hymns and chants also take parts of the bible and insert their sorority name in the place of Jesus in many instances. Don't take my Word for it, just research and pay attention to the chants and other public displays. This information is being more widely circulated and Thank you for this post as well.

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  23. In terms of the pledge of alleviance, you have to look at the whole...not just part. Our country doesn't cause mental or bodily pain to be a citizen, and then claim to operate in brotherly love. I was in the middle of pledging for one of the D9 when I decided to stop. One of the big brothers asked me (for the thousanth time) why did I want to join. I replied that "I wanted to join a brotherhood of like minded brothers because I knew a few who were doing great things. I feel like I'm alone in my ministry." At that moment I added without thinking ..."but God is with me". I was immediately convicted by that statement. It was like God was reminding me that HE IS ALL I NEED. The conviction drove me to tears, and the next day I told my dean that I no longer wanted to join. Of course, they tried to sway my decision. They used scriptures like "whatever happened to I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me"? However, I knew that mature Christians know God's voice and none other will they follow. I told them that, if they truly believe in their principles, they should be happy to "uplift" me to see what my true purpose is in life. This is how I discovered what's best for me. Each person must seek out their own salvation, and your spirit will know if God is pleased. Reciting poems, being called names, and subjecting to mental and physical abuse is not of GOD. Moreover, if a group claims to be based on Christian principles, shouldn't they want to know if I am saved? That is the most important thing, and no one asked at all!!

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    1. That's is so true....n with god n faith you don't need any organization because god is all that n much more.....n those organization just create a bunch of chaos for people who don't really Know the lord.....because if they did just how god reveal himself to you he would show them as well

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  24. What if a Christian was to say that the fraternity doEsnt influence them they influence the fraternity,and there fraternity doesn't represents bad things like the other fraternity,what would you say to that believer

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  25. Why should there be Christian frats/sorts?

    We're one in Christ; not separated and divided....

    Why pattern ourselves (Christians) after the things of this world?

    We're in Christ and He's one and we're ONE in His body, with the same vision, goals, and purpose.

    There's only one Body in Christ.......

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    1. I totally agree with you. I used to want to be in a sorority since I was in high school. I went off to college and fell below the GPA requirement of joining/pledging so I decided to join after I graduated and do grad chapter. By the time I graduated I learned about the illuminati and became curious about the Divine 9 and found that it's all connected (elitism).During the time of still debating on whether or not I still wanted to do grad chapter God began working on me and I became a born again Christian. Since I gave up on going Greek, I started to consider joining a Christian sorority, but something about a Christian fraternity or sorority still rubbed me the wrong way. The stepping, strolling, Greek letters, hand signs, and chants. before coming to this site I watched some Christian sorority probates and as I watched my spirit was not feeling it. Especially to hear the women as they strolled in say that "sorority name" done changed my name. ???? Oh no! The scripture that constantly circulates in my head when I think of Christian fraternities and sororities is Romans 12:1,...do not be conformed of this world... Since I have been a born again Christian I have gotten much closer to God henceforth I am much more in tune with things on a spiritual level. People don't realize what they are exposing themselves to. When you confess and surrender of yourself to something or someone you open yourself (spiritually) to whatever you are confessing and surrendering to. So if you confess and surrender yourself to God you open yourself to God. If you confess and surrender to something not of God you open yourself to demons and then you begin to suffer with sin. This coming to my mind: when people join/pledge a fraternity or sorority they are forming a soul tie, as I was reading somewhere of the oaths that people take some of the oath state that the person BINDS with the organization. They "marry"/ form a soul tie with the organization. Whatever you are tied to will have a hold on you and if you want to break free from it will take an act of God to break it and set you free (deliverance). I know some won't agree with all that I just wrote or even understand it, but if you seek God out for yourself on this knowledge I'm sure that God will reveal to you the same and much more. They only fraternity/sorority that I have chosen to be a member of is the body of Christ. The only requirement is to accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior and love God. The handbook can be purchased at just about anywhere, the Bible is sold. It's the biggest fraternity/sorority in the world.

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    2. Praise God you were wise in your decision to avoid this greek deception that's everywhere now (i can't go nowhere without seeing some black lackey with something greek). I too was in your shoes in regards to possibly joining b/c people were throwing invites at me quite often b/c I stood out on campus but I prayed that God show me the way and He did and that was away from them long story short.

      And it wasn't hard to see the truth about them. On my college campus (as well as others near me). They stayed in trouble, stayed fighting, stayed suspended, stayed being obnoxious, stayed indulging in questionable antics etc. The Bible says you tell the tree by it's fruit. So I don't care how much community service they did, church services they attended collectively, or how well a few (most did poorly) of the members did academically .... I wasn't going to join b/c my spirit sees the contradiction and harmful manifestations of those who indulged in it. It's a spiritual thing, it's more serious than most realize.

      But one thing sister, I wouldn't compare the Body of Christ to that demonic thing known as a fraternity/sorority. We are a true brotherhood and sisterhood built on an unshakable foundation and nothing else will ever come close to comparing.

      Which is another thing, if these cults (I meant "organizations") were built based on brotherhood and sisterhood, bettering the community and our fellow man ... why are there so many? Shouldn't there be one fraternity and one sorority. I mean it's one big lie in every aspect of it, divisive, and an attempt by satan to get you to fall for something evil that "seems" good to drive you to straight to hell.

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  26. I have read all the comments and I just think I will stick to just trying to live right. I don't need to be in a sorority or frat to gain brotherhood and sisterhood I can also find that at the church I also feel its safer as a Christian not to. As Christians we are suppose to live Holy separate lives from what the world we are suppose to be bringing people to God! And how can I do that as a D9 or any other?! I'm just gone live and make close friends the old fashion way and pray God guides me to be the Christian he created me to be

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  27. I am a Follower of Christ. I am Kappa. Like David and Johnathans brotherly relationship so do I have with my brethren. Evertyhing is NOT for everybody. I made a pledge that only GOD and my Brothers know. Many can speculate, but the bottom line is that they don't know and so to fill the void that KNOWING creates, the fill the empty space with rhetoric halftruths and lies.

    People will judge and label what they do not know or understand from now until Kingdom come but I think we should spend LESS time judging and labeling and more time MORE time preparing for the KINGDOM COME part.

    Be Blessed

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    1. Greetings Anonymous August 7th,

      Sir you can't be SAVED and a proud IDOLATROUS kappa period. Stop playing these games and wake up, it's an obvious contradiction and not rocket science.

      1.) Do you think God is smiling and pleased that you yoked yourself to an organization that condones and supports BRANDING a "K" above the heart or right shoulder (branding is associated with idolatry). I seen too many of them with that brand, so whether it's required or not doesn't really matter .... it's a celebrated practice apparently.

      2.) Do you think God is smiling and pleased that you kneel yes KNEEL at THE "SACRED" DELPHIC SHRINE in one of your rituals. Kneeling to anything in the manner in which you did is WORSHIP to kappa and all the demonic foolishness "he" stands for.

      3) “Oh noble Kappa Alpha Psi, the pride of all our hearts, True manliness, Fidelity, thou ever dost impart; The SOURCE of our delights and joys and happiness thou art, Oh noble Kappa Alpha Psi, from thee we’ll never part…We’ll live for thee, we’ll strive for thee, we’ll all thy ways adore…” UMM DOES THIS SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING A FOLLOWER OF CHRIST WOULD SEEK TO BE PART OF AND EXALT/DEFEND!!!!! This came from a kappa ritual book (kappa bible) from an ex-kappa who left for Christ and he exposes all their ills to save others from the deception.

      So you're right, it isn't for everybody ... it's only for those without a true regenerated heart and mind for Christ. Which are those who are not saved but just think they are for whatever superficial, unbiblical reason. I can go on and on and on tearing apart this greek mess with the Word of God.

      YOU CAN'T BE SAVED AND A PROUD IDOLATROUS GREEK. PERIOD. I HOPE YOU SEE THIS AND LEAVE .... I'M PRAYING FOR YOU THAT THE HOLY SPIRITS LOOSENS THE ENEMIES GRIP ON YOU & YOU BE SAVED B4 IT'S TOO LATE. THIS IS NOT ABOUT ME OR TRYING TO MAKE YOU LOOK BAD, BUT IT'S ABOUT SAVING YOUR PRECIOUS SOUL


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    2. I haven't read the comments of the person you are speaking to, but it IS possible to be saved and within a fraternity. How do I know? Because I am saved, sanctified and filled with the Holy Ghost and a Kappa. Now do I regret joining... yes. I did it in ignorance as a baby Christian. I am not active however. I lived righteously and have helped others to do the same, but I do kind of believe that I may be more powerful in Christ if I TOTALLY denounce the fraternity.

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